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PostSubject: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:09 pm

A great mod for the 3SGE is to upgrade the cams. For the rev 2 3SGE's, it is recommended that you convert to the 'shim under bucket' setup so you dont break your engine.

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http://www.rossmachineracing.com/3sbucket.html

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Toyota Celica DOHC (3-SGE & 5-SGE)

TOCD-6500: These cams are for hot street use, and will provide strong acceleration. The best power range is 3000-6500, and they will rev to 7500 in a well prepared engine. INTAKE: 28/62 EXHAUST: 68/22 DURATION: 270 LIFT: .403"

Necessary mods: PAECO inner & outer springs & aluminum retainers. A 1.0 to 1.5:1 boost in compression will give even more power but is not mandatory.

TOCD-7200: These cams are for very hot street and strip use. The best power range is 3500-7200 and it will rev to over 8000. INTAKE: 30/70 EXHAUST: 70/30 DURATION: 280 LIFT: .427"

Necessary mods: PAECO inner & outer springs, titanium retainers, 11:1 compression and a modified cylinder head. An aluminum flywheel will add even more acceleration and a Kevlar clutch is recommended for reliability.

TOCD-8000: These are all-out racing cams with tremendous power in the 4500-8000 RPM range. They will rev to 9000 in a well-prepared engine. INTAKE: 34/78 EXHAUST: 78/34 DURATION: 302 LIFT: .452"

Necessary mods: PAECO inner & outer springs, titanium retainers, 13-14:1 compression, fully modified cylinder head, chrome-moly or titanium con rods, aluminum flywheel, Kevlar clutch.

PRICES FOR TOYOTA CELICA DOHC CAMS & VALVE TRAIN COMPONENTS:

All cam grinds: $210 per cam, exchange ----- (add $180/cam if no exchange) SPECIFY MECHANICAL OR HYDRAULIC LIFTERS

Inner valve springs: $4.00 each Outer valve springs: $8.00 each Aluminum retainers: $12.00 each Titanium retainers: $25.00 each

Valve adjusting shims: $14.00 each (Any thickness) NOTE: For mechanical lifters, shims will be necessary to set the valve lash. You must install your cams first to determine the thickness of the shims that you will need, then call us. We can furnish shims in any desired thickness.

Here is the site this came off

http://www.paeco.com/

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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:10 pm

Stock cams:

Revision 1/2 3SGE:
In: 244deg, 8.5mm lift (timing 7/57)
Ex: 244deg, 8.5mm lift (timing 57/7)

Revision 3+ 3SGE:
In: 252deg, 9.8mm lift (timing 7/65)
Ex: 240deg, 8.2mm lift (timing 53/7)

As you can see, for rev3+ cars – Toyota switched to a staggered set up. If you have a revision 1 or 2 car then you would actually benefit from installing rev3 stock items! A cheap upgrade route to go if money is at a premium!

If you want to go for a big name company then plenty of companies cater for this as the 3SGE cams can be used in a 3SGTE and vice versa. The stock 3SGE cams are also more aggressively profiled than the 3SGTE items – this is why some owners in the US have swapped out their stock cams for stock 3SGE cams.

An example of aftermarket cams are:

Piper Cams (fast road):
In: 260deg, 9.37mm lift
Ex: 260deg, 9.32mm lift

With this setup you should expect circa 10bhp and they cost £450. If you have a revision 1or 2 car then you will need to have a shim under bucked conversion carried out if you intend to fit high lift cams as these engines have a habit of spitting out shims at high revs. The revision 3+ cars came with shim under bucket as standard.

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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:23 pm

Also, as you may know, 3SGTE and 3SGE cams are interchangable so there are a lot of options available for the 3SGE

Brands like HKS do supply camshafts for the 3SGTE, details here:

HKS 3SGTE Cams
3SGTE Camshaft #2202-RT061 $342 Intake (256 Duration, 8.8mm Lift)
3SGTE Camshaft #2202-RT062 $342 Exhaust (256 Duration, 8.75mm Lift)
3SGTE Camshaft #2202-RT063 $342 Intake (264 Duration, 9.0mm Lift)
3SGTE Camshaft #2202-RT064 $342 Exhaust (264 Duration, 8.95mm Lift)
3SGTE Camshaft #2202-RT065 $342 Intake (272 Duration, 9.2mm Lift)
3SGTE Camshaft #2202-RT066 $342 Exhaust (272 Duration, 9.15m Lift)

Blitz Of Japan Cams
Camshaft #13521 $399 Intake (264 Duration, 9.56mm Lift)
#13520 $399 Intake (264 Duration, 9.12mm Lift)
#13522 $399 Exhaust (264 Duration, 9.12mm Lift)




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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:30 pm

Sorry to sound stupid, but am getting a little confused by rev 1, 2 and 3, guess rev 2 is the st182? and the rev 3 is the st202?
so if I was to put St202 Cams in my st182, is it just a straight swap?
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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:42 am

Yep,

rev 1 3sge - ST162
rev 2 3sge - ST182/3
rev 3 3sge - ST202/6

Rev 3 3sge cams will be an upgrade for your rev 2 3sge. They should be a straight fit so you wont have to worry about doing the shim under bucket conversion or messing with the ECU.

Would be interesting to see the results!

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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:57 am

I think i'm going to research into this a bit more, seems to good to be true Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:21 pm

do i need to do any other work like shim under bucket conversion?
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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:01 pm

Well when I have some money, after Xmas now, I am hopefully going to get a set of cams, and try it out, see what happens lol.
but i wont be for a while yet Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:05 pm

ricksta wrote:
Well when I have some money, after Xmas now, I am hopefully going to get a set of cams, and try it out, see what happens lol.
but i wont be for a while yet Smile

Awesome! Make sure you keep us posted, would love to see the results! Very Happy

Going to see if i can get a cheap set from somewhere Cool

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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:15 pm

^^^^ Same, good thing is know somebody with an ST202 wrecking, might try and grab his cams.
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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:13 am

another place is kelford cams they do big, racing (300degree+) and custom sizes

a good size for gen 3 are about 264deg for the IN/EX you can get a slightly smaller EX cam for more low/mid power
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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:00 am

Rusty wrote:
another place is kelford cams they do big, racing (300degree+) and custom sizes

a good size for gen 3 are about 264deg for the IN/EX you can get a slightly smaller EX cam for more low/mid power

Have heard good things about kelford cams, what i like about the gen 3 is it has the shim under bucket layout so you can have huge cams and not worry about destroying your engine Very Happy

Will bear them figures in mind, someone PM'd me about gen 3 cams, hopefully this will help Cool

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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:40 am

has any one fitted st202 cams in their 182 yet?
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PostSubject: Re: 3SGE Cams Upgrade   Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:37 am

i was told you cant use gen 3 cams with out changing to shim under buckets or shimless
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